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Beserker

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I was privileged to attend the Honda test ride weekend held at Kaleo near Ceres this weekend.

First, big shout out to Johann Botha and his crew from Tygerberg Honda for the bikes, Hardy de Kock of Specialised Adventures for organising it, and Charl du Plessies for taking out the one outride after the other – your enthusiasm knows no bounds.

I went there to see what the hype was about, and of course the opportunity to ride the Africa Twin.

I got to ride the 250 Rally, and then the AT manual  and (man o’ man) the DCT.
My feedback on the bikes (and please take it from whom it comes) is based on “seat of pants” feeling rather than numbers; I specifically chose not to harper on things like “to soft suspension”, “wrong handlebars” etc. etc. as nigly things on a test bike is easily remedied (and should be) by a new owner when setting a bike up for his personal preferences.

Part 1 - Honda CRF 250 Rally:

The bad:

The name is wrong, it lends itself to a Dakar conquering desert sled, and the 250 Rally is not that even though it has seen competition in the Hellas rally in the less than 450 class, where it did very well.
It thus attracts criticism along the lines of being under powered – I think “Adventure” would be spot on and a good alternative.

Personally, the ABS is a pain in the arse, but that is about it. Other than having to set it to “off” every time you turn the bike on, I had no issue with the fact that you could only turn the rear brake of.

The good:


It is a good looking bike, and at 6’4” I was comfortable on it.

The build quality is typical Honda – high!

Before my write up I took the trouble of reading up on it, and by all accounts it is super reliable bike.
Having two friends that is doing a trans Africa trip on 250L’s, and currently just south of Ethiopia without a single mechanical hitch, also vouches for the reliability.

An expensive - if possible - exercise would be to extend the fuel range. Even though the fuel capacity is up with about 2.5 litres compared to the 250L, it is still only just over 10 litres, and should give you about 300 km in sandy conditions.  I reckon a 14 litre tank will not affect the slim layout of the bike adversely.

Even though the bike is rated as “underpowered”, the way the engine makes its power, with quite a bit of bottom end torque and fair amount of over rev, mated to a six speed gearbox, makes for a very good off tar road, long dirt road and tricky technical section bike, especially for riders that does not have a lot of experience, or is not up to picking up a fallen over 180 kg + behemoth.

The ride experience is that of a smooth, vibration free engine, and the bike is very stable at speed over corrugations and the odd sandy patches, and should induce confidence.

In conclusion:

Having done the Kunene, Epupa, Van Zyls, Puros, Brandberg route (essentially the route that the Honda Quest followed) with one of the riders in the group on a DR200, laden with tent, full size camping chair, fishing rod (for fuck sakes), fuel etc. and keeping up, I can see no reason why the 250 Rally should not be considered a proper adventure bike.

If you are not “racing” your trip, and instead taking your time to de-stress, soak in the ambiance of the area, experience the landscape - it ticks most boxes. 

Personally, keeping in mind that I want to “get away from it all” on a trip,  “all” being my high tech job, my Active Virgin membership, the modern, fast paced living forced upon us -  I will definitely consider a 250 Rally even for trips to Northern Namibia – I reckon it is that capable. 

I snickered at a thread somewhere on the forum, espousing small capacity bike touring, but the 250 Rally brought me to a different insight. Getting of my ego driven max horsepower high horse, having experienced the 250 Rally, I can easily identify with the allure of a small bike trip.

Not only is the Rally a capable and versatile small capacity bike, it will make for a super relaxed trip – maybe just what the doctor ordered.

Coming up...the CRF1000 AT.


 
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As a teaser...I did some thorough research, to the extend I went way back in history, and rode this 19 - voertsek AT.

With 240 000 km on the clock, having been on a few "Out of Africa" trips, with "houding" to spare and still going well - will the new AT live up to the hype?

Wait and see...

 

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C'mon bring on the rest...... btw the 250 will never work if you need to get away from the stress FAST like me lol.............. ;D :ricky:
 
The local Honda folk put on a fantastic weekend. They brought a bunch of CRF1000s, CRF250 L and Rallys as well as a 190 and 125 to try out.

I rode the 190, both of the 250Ls and the CRF1000L DCT. I also rode the more technical trail on my own XT250 as a comparison.

The 190 is obviously quite slow, but is a very capable and useful bike. At R30K cheaper than the 250L it's good value and will no doubt give tremendous service. I live in the city and I find sub-250s tend to get swallowed by the traffic rather too quickly: but it would be a perfect farm runabout and weekend trail explorer. The 2 sidestands are a nice touch.

The first 250L I rode had awful ergos, twisted forks and was lacking power. I couldn't gel with it.  The second one was just right. I enjoyed it greatly. This was the reason I went to the event because I think the 250L is the perfect bike for the sort of riding I do. And indeed it is. It's quite a bit heavier than my XT250, but I really didn't notice it much. It was fast enough and handled the trails with aplomb. I found the saddle very hard, but that's a small thing. I'd buy one without any reservation.

I didn't ride the 250 Rally as I really couldn't see myself on one of those. Horses for courses they say.  :p

I haven't ridden a big bike for a long time, but I enjoyed the CRF1000L DCT muchly, in spite of the bars being rolled so far forward that I couldn't get comfortable. That gearbox is a piece of magic! I deliberately tried to fool it by mucking about, but it was simply in the right gear all the time. It would be hard to fault this big bike. It did single track mountain bike trails through rocky mountains as easily as it cruised the open road.  Brilliant bike. Get it before the new 250kg version comes in. I'm a million miles away from ever being able to use 95bhp effectively let alone to miss the extra that the opposition brags about these days.

I'll leave it to Bezerker and others to give us a proper rating.

I came away from the weekend greatly impressed with the commitment that Honda and the local dealership have shown in hosting the Quest and this event. Well done. The quality of your products deserves it.
 
Beserker said:
I was privileged to attend the Honda test ride weekend held at Kaleo near Ceres this weekend.

First, big shout out to Johann Botha and his crew from Tygerberg Honda for the bikes, Hardy de Kock of Specialised Adventures for organising it, and Charl du Plessies for taking out the one outride after the other – your enthusiasm knows no bounds.

I went there to see what the hype was about, and of course the opportunity to ride the Africa Twin.

I got to ride the 250 Rally, and then the AT manual  and (man o’ man) the DCT.
My feedback on the bikes (and please take it from whom it comes) is based on “seat of pants” feeling rather than numbers; I specifically chose not to harper on things like “to soft suspension”, “wrong handlebars” etc. etc. as nigly things on a test bike is easily remedied (and should be) by a new owner when setting a bike up for his personal preferences.

Part 1 - Honda CRF 250 Rally:

The bad:

The name is wrong, it lends itself to a Dakar conquering desert sled, and the 250 Rally is not that even though it has seen competition in the Hellas rally in the less than 450 class, where it did very well.
It thus attracts criticism along the lines of being under powered – I think “Adventure” would be spot on and a good alternative.

Personally, the ABS is a pain in the arse, but that is about it. Other than having to set it to “off” every time you turn the bike on, I had no issue with the fact that you could only turn the rear brake of.

The good:


It is a good looking bike, and at 6’4” I was comfortable on it.

The build quality is typical Honda – high!

Before my write up I took the trouble of reading up on it, and by all accounts it is super reliable bike.
Having two friends that is doing a trans Africa trip on 250L’s, and currently just south of Ethiopia without a single mechanical hitch, also vouches for the reliability.

An expensive - if possible - exercise would be to extend the fuel range. Even though the fuel capacity is up with about 2.5 litres compared to the 250L, it is still only just over 10 litres, and should give you about 300 km in sandy conditions.  I reckon a 14 litre tank will not affect the slim layout of the bike adversely.

Even though the bike is rated as “underpowered”, the way the engine makes its power, with quite a bit of bottom end torque and fair amount of over rev, mated to a six speed gearbox, makes for a very good off tar road, long dirt road and tricky technical section bike, especially for riders that does not have a lot of experience, or is not up to picking up a fallen over 180 kg + behemoth.

The ride experience is that of a smooth, vibration free engine, and the bike is very stable at speed over corrugations and the odd sandy patches, and should induce confidence.

In conclusion:

Having done the Kunene, Epupa, Van Zyls, Puros, Brandberg route (essentially the route that the Honda Quest followed) with one of the riders in the group on a DR200, laden with tent, full size camping chair, fishing rod (for fuck sakes), fuel etc. and keeping up, I can see no reason why the 250 Rally should not be considered a proper adventure bike.

If you are not “racing” your trip, and instead taking your time to de-stress, soak in the ambiance of the area, experience the landscape - it ticks most boxes. 

Personally, keeping in mind that I want to “get away from it all” on a trip,  “all” being my high tech job, my Active Virgin membership, the modern, fast paced living forced upon us -  I will definitely consider a 250 Rally even for trips to Northern Namibia – I reckon it is that capable. 

I snickered at a thread somewhere on the forum, espousing small capacity bike touring, but the 250 Rally brought me to a different insight. Getting of my ego driven max horsepower high horse, having experienced the 250 Rally, I can easily identify with the allure of a small bike trip.

Not only is the Rally a capable and versatile small capacity bike, it will make for a super relaxed trip – maybe just what the doctor ordered.

Coming up...the CRF1000 AT.
thanks! good review, i looked at one of these last weekend. i said to the guy that this would be a smash hit if it was 450. it ticks all the boxes, but as you said laden with my 110kg body and all the tents/tools etc for a weekend trip i doubted whether you could slab a highway home? whats it like at 120? straining the engine?
 
Plaasseun said:
Was looking forward to the rest of the reviews :sip:

I'll get onto it - the first AT I ever rode belonged to a friend of mine, Gordon...He unfortunately lost his struggle against cancer, and I had to attend to that, and truth be told, was a bit out of it.  :-\
 
Sorry to hear that Beserker!! My condolences to you all.

No problem, good review on the 250 Rally :thumleft:
 
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