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T7 has the offroad power. All reviews reckon the T7 is more tractable as is than 890 with all it's electronics. :love:

Tractable is what it's about, unless you only ride flat roads.

Unless you switch off all your e-aids, your 890 also only gets T7 power offroad.:ROFLMAO:
Ry ten minste een van die bikes voor goed sê wat glad nie in realiteit waar is nie…🤣😈
 

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Same outcome different strategies, engineered benefits make a better rider, and so does tech. Throttled, controlled digitally managed power is as pointless as having low power in the first place.
 
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After reading most of the posts on this thread I started thinking about the praise for the KTM 990 and then cobbled the following together.

Note there has to be an air cooled GS, else it makes no real sense, and that the data was grabbed from random web sites of my choosing!

A selection of bikes sorted by date:

MakeModelYearWeight (kg)Power (kW)Torque (Nm)@ Revs
KTM990 Adv R200920984.51006500
BMW1200 GS2011229811206000
HondaA T 11002022240751056250
TriumphTiger 850202219262.5816500
TriumphTiger 900202220170877250
BMW850 GS202322966866250
DucatiDesert X202322383926500
YamahaT7202320554686500
KTM890 Adv R2023215761006500

Clearly the 990 KTM was ground breaking in 2009, lighter and more powerful than the GS that still wheezed along with the 75kW motor.

The same selection sorted by power

MakeModelYearWeight (kg)Power (kW)Torque (Nm)@ Revs
KTM990 Adv R200920984.51006500
DucatiDesert X202322383926500
BMW1200 GS2011229811206000
KTM890 Adv R2023215761006500
HondaA T 11002022240751056250
TriumphTiger 900202220170877250
BMW850 GS202322966866250
TriumphTiger 850202219262.5816500
YamahaT7202320554686500

Again the KTM 990 wins and a 14 year younger Desert X comes in second, sneaking past the BMW.

Off road you typically want lots of torque so let us look at that..

MakeModelYearWeight (kg)Power (kW)Torque (Nm)@ Revs
BMW1200 GS2011229811206000
HondaA T 11002022240751056250
KTM990 Adv R200920984.51006500
KTM890 Adv R2023215761006500
DucatiDesert X202322383926500
TriumphTiger 900202220170877250
BMW850 GS202322966866250
TriumphTiger 850202219262.5816500
YamahaT7202320554686500

And 2SD's pet hate wipes the floor!

If we look at weight, the Triumphs triumph!

Data sorted by ascending weight, the highest power and highest torque.

MakeModelYearWeight (kg)Power (kW)Torque (Nm)@ Revs
TriumphTiger 850202219262.5816500
TriumphTiger 900202220170877250
YamahaT7202320554686500
KTM990 Adv R200920984.51006500
KTM890 Adv R2023215761006500
DucatiDesert X202322383926500
BMW1200 GS2011229811206000
BMW850 GS202322966866250
HondaA T 11002022240751056250


Interesting that the BMW 850 GS weighs the same as the old 1200 GS, has less power, less torque and is more difficult to pick up as it lays down flat, and not on one of the boxer engines cylinder heads.

I think I can understand the praise for the KTM 990 and that the new KTM 890 could run close to this, but where is the support for the Triumphs on this thread?
 

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Na 3.5 dae in Namibia gee ek nie om wat julle koop nie. Solank jy net bike ry.








Off topic, maar ek wou jou nog heeltyd vra oor jou keuses met jou plastics.
Heel duidelik jy verkies die 4 strokers bo die 2`s, maar wil graag hoor wat jy al gery het, wat jy van hou (en wat jy nie van hou nie).
Jy is welkom om n PM te stuur, maar dit is n genuine request.

Ek rybOffroad resiese en MX dan werk die 4 strokes beter, hulle is vinniger en maak jou minder moeg teen spoed. Hulle hou ook baie langer in hierdie tipe kondisies waar 4 strokes oor die algemeen goeie lugvloei kry om nie te oorverhit.

2 strokes is baie lekker as dit erg tegnies raak oor hulle vermoë om met nuwer tegnologie fans koel te bly omdat die engine minder bewegende dele het en ook groter afkoel areas om die exhaust om die engine gasse en area om engine af te koel.

Ek voel die 2 strokes klink moer vinnig. maar beweeg stadig waar ek baie ry.

Ek ry Yamaha 450's al vanaf 2006. EK het nog net een se engine oop gemaak en dit was na 2.5 seisoene se hard ry en toe 'n waterpyp wat gepuncture het nadat ek 'n kind gehelp het wat geval het en die bike teen 'n soetdoring laat staan het wat 'n gat in die radiator gesteek het. Ek vervang olie op hulle dadelik na Motul 7100 en daarna elke 7 ure olie en 15 ure filters.

MAAAAAR die KTM en Husqvarna 450/500 is wonderlike bikes en jy kan hom op die pad ry. Hulle 350's is net so goed.

Ek het spaar Yamaha wiele, en ken hulle goed. Die handelaars is vriende en as ek klim op en ry.

As ek nie so vet was nie, sou ek graag 'n Honda CRF 250 F of Yamaha YZ250 F wou kry vir Motocross.

EK het al Kawasaki en KTM besit en het steeds 'n Sherco 300. Ek het die nuutste Husqvarna 250 4 stroke gery , die Yamaha 250 4 stroke en 2 stroke, KTM 200, 300 450, 525,530.

As ek môre die lotto wen staan daar in my garage:

2023 Honda CRF 450 F 50th edition (sitkamer bike)
2023 Yamaha Yz450F (ander sitkamer Bike)

Husqvarna FE 350 (Enduro Bike)
Sherco SE125 Fsctory ( Enduro bike)

Yamaha YZ 450 FX ( race bike)
CRF 250 F (MX bike)
 

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After reading most of the posts on this thread I started thinking about the praise for the KTM 990 and then cobbled the following together.

Note there has to be an air cooled GS, else it makes no real sense, and that the data was grabbed from random web sites of my choosing!

A selection of bikes sorted by date:

MakeModelYearWeight (kg)Power (kW)Torque (Nm)@ Revs
KTM990 Adv R200920984.51006500
BMW1200 GS2011229811206000
HondaA T 11002022240751056250
TriumphTiger 850202219262.5816500
TriumphTiger 900202220170877250
BMW850 GS202322966866250
DucatiDesert X202322383926500
YamahaT7202320554686500
KTM890 Adv R2023215761006500

Clearly the 990 KTM was ground breaking in 2009, lighter and more powerful than the GS that still wheezed along with the 75kW motor.

The same selection sorted by power

MakeModelYearWeight (kg)Power (kW)Torque (Nm)@ Revs
KTM990 Adv R200920984.51006500
DucatiDesert X202322383926500
BMW1200 GS2011229811206000
KTM890 Adv R2023215761006500
HondaA T 11002022240751056250
TriumphTiger 900202220170877250
BMW850 GS202322966866250
TriumphTiger 850202219262.5816500
YamahaT7202320554686500

Again the KTM 990 wins and a 14 year younger Desert X comes in second, sneaking past the BMW.

Off road you typically want lots of torque so let us look at that..

MakeModelYearWeight (kg)Power (kW)Torque (Nm)@ Revs
BMW1200 GS2011229811206000
HondaA T 11002022240751056250
KTM990 Adv R200920984.51006500
KTM890 Adv R2023215761006500
DucatiDesert X202322383926500
TriumphTiger 900202220170877250
BMW850 GS202322966866250
TriumphTiger 850202219262.5816500
YamahaT7202320554686500

And 2SD's pet hate wipes the floor!

If we look at weight, the Triumphs triumph!

Data sorted by ascending weight, the highest power and highest torque.

MakeModelYearWeight (kg)Power (kW)Torque (Nm)@ Revs
TriumphTiger 850202219262.5816500
TriumphTiger 900202220170877250
YamahaT7202320554686500
KTM990 Adv R200920984.51006500
KTM890 Adv R2023215761006500
DucatiDesert X202322383926500
BMW1200 GS2011229811206000
BMW850 GS202322966866250
HondaA T 11002022240751056250


Interesting that the BMW 850 GS weighs the same as the old 1200 GS, has less power, less torque and is more difficult to pick up as it lays down flat, and not on one of the boxer engines cylinder heads.

I think I can understand the praise for the KTM 990 and that the new KTM 890 could run close to this, but where is the support for the Triumphs on this thread?
Moerse flaw is you are comparing the 689cc T7 against 1000cc bikes !
 
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After reading most of the posts on this thread I started thinking about the praise for the KTM 990 and then cobbled the following together.

Note there has to be an air cooled GS, else it makes no real sense, and that the data was grabbed from random web sites of my choosing!

A selection of bikes sorted by date:

MakeModelYearWeight (kg)Power (kW)Torque (Nm)@ Revs
KTM990 Adv R200920984.51006500
BMW1200 GS2011229811206000
HondaA T 11002022240751056250
TriumphTiger 850202219262.5816500
TriumphTiger 900202220170877250
BMW850 GS202322966866250
DucatiDesert X202322383926500
YamahaT7202320554686500
KTM890 Adv R2023215761006500

Clearly the 990 KTM was ground breaking in 2009, lighter and more powerful than the GS that still wheezed along with the 75kW motor.

The same selection sorted by power

MakeModelYearWeight (kg)Power (kW)Torque (Nm)@ Revs
KTM990 Adv R200920984.51006500
DucatiDesert X202322383926500
BMW1200 GS2011229811206000
KTM890 Adv R2023215761006500
HondaA T 11002022240751056250
TriumphTiger 900202220170877250
BMW850 GS202322966866250
TriumphTiger 850202219262.5816500
YamahaT7202320554686500

Again the KTM 990 wins and a 14 year younger Desert X comes in second, sneaking past the BMW.

Off road you typically want lots of torque so let us look at that..

MakeModelYearWeight (kg)Power (kW)Torque (Nm)@ Revs
BMW1200 GS2011229811206000
HondaA T 11002022240751056250
KTM990 Adv R200920984.51006500
KTM890 Adv R2023215761006500
DucatiDesert X202322383926500
TriumphTiger 900202220170877250
BMW850 GS202322966866250
TriumphTiger 850202219262.5816500
YamahaT7202320554686500

And 2SD's pet hate wipes the floor!

If we look at weight, the Triumphs triumph!

Data sorted by ascending weight, the highest power and highest torque.

MakeModelYearWeight (kg)Power (kW)Torque (Nm)@ Revs
TriumphTiger 850202219262.5816500
TriumphTiger 900202220170877250
YamahaT7202320554686500
KTM990 Adv R200920984.51006500
KTM890 Adv R2023215761006500
DucatiDesert X202322383926500
BMW1200 GS2011229811206000
BMW850 GS202322966866250
HondaA T 11002022240751056250


Interesting that the BMW 850 GS weighs the same as the old 1200 GS, has less power, less torque and is more difficult to pick up as it lays down flat, and not on one of the boxer engines cylinder heads.

I think I can understand the praise for the KTM 990 and that the new KTM 890 could run close to this, but where is the support for the Triumphs on this thread?
Much of a muchness, but the 890 weighs 210kg wet
990 Weighs 207 kg dry
 
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Agreed

Did Yamaha saddle the T7 with a weight of 205kg, 4 less than the old 990 KTM, to calm those few horses down?
 

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Agreed

Did Yamaha saddle the T7 with a weight of 205kg, 4 less than the old 990 KTM, to calm those few horses down?
No just strong frame and motor so it will last a lifetime without cracking and breaking. Apparently a flaw on the 950/990 alu subframes. T7 is steel.
 

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You would need to check which bike weights are quoted dry or wet. I know KTM quote dry weights. BMW have an odd way of quoting weights - something like 90% fueled - Yamaha quote wet weights.

Differences can be quite vast! Wet includes fuel, oil, coolant etc, which dry does not. You cannot ride a "dry" bike.

Your quoted weight of the 2009 990 is 209kg's. I posted on this forum, maybe 12 years ago, where I actually weighed all of the significant bikes, fully wet, on Gary Franks' Bzerba bike scale. The 990 in question was my personal bike. Can't remember the exact amount that it came in at, but it was certainly lot heavier than was claimed by the manufacturer. Will see if I can find the link.
 

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And 990 is 209kg dry and T7 196kg so that is 13kg difference. Wet even more for the 990 because it has big tank capacity.
 

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You can argue that the difference is more than 13kg as the 990 has to carry more fuel, if you aim to cover the same distance, compared to a T7

Nevertheless, it's still great to see how the old 990 still holds its own
 

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You can argue that the difference is more than 13kg as the 990 has to carry more fuel, if you aim to cover the same distance, compared to a T7

Nevertheless, it's still great to see how the old 990 still holds its own
With 990 fuel consumption it needs all the capacity it can get :D
 

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You can argue that the difference is more than 13kg as the 990 has to carry more fuel, if you aim to cover the same distance, compared to a T7

Nevertheless, it's still great to see how the old 990 still holds its own
The 990 was, and still is, a great bike.
 
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After reading most of the posts on this thread I started thinking about the praise for the KTM 990 and then cobbled the following together.

Note there has to be an air cooled GS, else it makes no real sense, and that the data was grabbed from random web sites of my choosing!

A selection of bikes sorted by date:

MakeModelYearWeight (kg)Power (kW)Torque (Nm)@ Revs
KTM990 Adv R200920984.51006500
BMW1200 GS2011229811206000
HondaA T 11002022240751056250
TriumphTiger 850202219262.5816500
TriumphTiger 900202220170877250
BMW850 GS202322966866250
DucatiDesert X202322383926500
YamahaT7202320554686500
KTM890 Adv R2023215761006500

Clearly the 990 KTM was ground breaking in 2009, lighter and more powerful than the GS that still wheezed along with the 75kW motor.

The same selection sorted by power

MakeModelYearWeight (kg)Power (kW)Torque (Nm)@ Revs
KTM990 Adv R200920984.51006500
DucatiDesert X202322383926500
BMW1200 GS2011229811206000
KTM890 Adv R2023215761006500
HondaA T 11002022240751056250
TriumphTiger 900202220170877250
BMW850 GS202322966866250
TriumphTiger 850202219262.5816500
YamahaT7202320554686500

Again the KTM 990 wins and a 14 year younger Desert X comes in second, sneaking past the BMW.

Off road you typically want lots of torque so let us look at that..

MakeModelYearWeight (kg)Power (kW)Torque (Nm)@ Revs
BMW1200 GS2011229811206000
HondaA T 11002022240751056250
KTM990 Adv R200920984.51006500
KTM890 Adv R2023215761006500
DucatiDesert X202322383926500
TriumphTiger 900202220170877250
BMW850 GS202322966866250
TriumphTiger 850202219262.5816500
YamahaT7202320554686500

And 2SD's pet hate wipes the floor!

If we look at weight, the Triumphs triumph!

Data sorted by ascending weight, the highest power and highest torque.

MakeModelYearWeight (kg)Power (kW)Torque (Nm)@ Revs
TriumphTiger 850202219262.5816500
TriumphTiger 900202220170877250
YamahaT7202320554686500
KTM990 Adv R200920984.51006500
KTM890 Adv R2023215761006500
DucatiDesert X202322383926500
BMW1200 GS2011229811206000
BMW850 GS202322966866250
HondaA T 11002022240751056250


Interesting that the BMW 850 GS weighs the same as the old 1200 GS, has less power, less torque and is more difficult to pick up as it lays down flat, and not on one of the boxer engines cylinder heads.

I think I can understand the praise for the KTM 990 and that the new KTM 890 could run close to this, but where is the support for the Triumphs on this thread?
Tjirre dis nou really smart uit gewerk, maar fokkit julle kry nou maar net nie die KTM af geskut nie :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
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