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2StrokeDan

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Tjirre dis nou really smart uit gewerk, maar fokkit julle kry nou maar net nie die KTM af geskut nie :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
Also, this demonstrates how, on paper, a truly useless off the tar vehicle like the GS Boxer can wipe the floor with almost anything else.

And this is simply why riders grapple with how the T7 can be so good, with such low specs.

Impossible to choose a bike on paper specs.
 
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Tjirre dis nou really smart uit gewerk, maar fokkit julle kry nou maar net nie die KTM af geskut nie :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
Ek dink die feit is dat KTM, nadat hulle dom genoeg was om Boorman/McEwan weg te jaag, iets moes doen om hulle vinger in BMW se oog te druk.

Daardie 990 KTM het myns insiens die patroon gestel vir n hooligan, balls to the wall, bike.

Daar was op daardie stadium niks soortgelyk nie en die feit dat jy nie daardie krag effektief op grond kon gebruik nie, het nie veel saak gemaak nie, maar KTM het nie weer terug gekyk nie.

En dit van n ou toppie met twee aircooled GS bikes
 

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Ek dink die feit is dat KTM, nadat hulle dom genoeg was om Boorman/McEwan weg te jaag, iets moes doen om hulle vinger in BMW se oog te druk.

Daardie 990 KTM het myns insiens die patroon gestel vir n hooligan, balls to the wall, bike.

Daar was op daardie stadium niks soortgelyk nie en die feit dat jy nie daardie krag effektief op grond kon gebruik nie, het nie veel saak gemaak nie, maar KTM het nie weer terug gekyk nie.

En dit van n ou toppie met twee aircooled GS bikes
Het die 640 nie al die grondslag gelê vir die 950/990 se bestaan nie?

Van al die kommentaar is my afleiding dat die keuse redelik eenvoudig is.

Hoe wil jy die fiets gebruik?
Like jy krag kwaai en het vrede of jy dit nou kan gebruik of nie?
Jy is 'n drinker, want dis al hoe jy deur 'n 990 se diens kom sonder om mal te word.
Jou ouderdom dikteer dat betroubaarheid minder belangrik is as 'n adrenalien oordosis.

Ag daar is eintlik vele faktore wat niks te doen het met tegniese faktore nie. En ek dink dit is wat enige keuse lekker en interessant maak.

Hel, ek het in my lewe nooit gedink ek sal 'n automatiese bike ry nie! 😉 Al wat erger kan wees is 'n Harley of 'n skoeter.
 

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After reading most of the posts on this thread I started thinking about the praise for the KTM 990 and then cobbled the following together.

Note there has to be an air cooled GS, else it makes no real sense, and that the data was grabbed from random web sites of my choosing!

A selection of bikes sorted by date:

MakeModelYearWeight (kg)Power (kW)Torque (Nm)@ Revs
KTM990 Adv R200920984.51006500
BMW1200 GS2011229811206000
HondaA T 11002022240751056250
TriumphTiger 850202219262.5816500
TriumphTiger 900202220170877250
BMW850 GS202322966866250
DucatiDesert X202322383926500
YamahaT7202320554686500
KTM890 Adv R2023215761006500

Clearly the 990 KTM was ground breaking in 2009, lighter and more powerful than the GS that still wheezed along with the 75kW motor.

The same selection sorted by power

MakeModelYearWeight (kg)Power (kW)Torque (Nm)@ Revs
KTM990 Adv R200920984.51006500
DucatiDesert X202322383926500
BMW1200 GS2011229811206000
KTM890 Adv R2023215761006500
HondaA T 11002022240751056250
TriumphTiger 900202220170877250
BMW850 GS202322966866250
TriumphTiger 850202219262.5816500
YamahaT7202320554686500

Again the KTM 990 wins and a 14 year younger Desert X comes in second, sneaking past the BMW.

Off road you typically want lots of torque so let us look at that..

MakeModelYearWeight (kg)Power (kW)Torque (Nm)@ Revs
BMW1200 GS2011229811206000
HondaA T 11002022240751056250
KTM990 Adv R200920984.51006500
KTM890 Adv R2023215761006500
DucatiDesert X202322383926500
TriumphTiger 900202220170877250
BMW850 GS202322966866250
TriumphTiger 850202219262.5816500
YamahaT7202320554686500

And 2SD's pet hate wipes the floor!

If we look at weight, the Triumphs triumph!

Data sorted by ascending weight, the highest power and highest torque.

MakeModelYearWeight (kg)Power (kW)Torque (Nm)@ Revs
TriumphTiger 850202219262.5816500
TriumphTiger 900202220170877250
YamahaT7202320554686500
KTM990 Adv R200920984.51006500
KTM890 Adv R2023215761006500
DucatiDesert X202322383926500
BMW1200 GS2011229811206000
BMW850 GS202322966866250
HondaA T 11002022240751056250


Interesting that the BMW 850 GS weighs the same as the old 1200 GS, has less power, less torque and is more difficult to pick up as it lays down flat, and not on one of the boxer engines cylinder heads.

I think I can understand the praise for the KTM 990 and that the new KTM 890 could run close to this, but where is the support for the Triumphs on this thread?
Triumph doesn't need support ......it IS support.
 

Kamanya

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I'm often asked, "what bike do you think I should ride. Or what bike is the best for me?" Today even, a corporate client of mine asked just such a thing... he's hardly ridden and was asking after a Vespa vs an Africa Twin!?

I mean fok! What does one say to this!?

I've learn't that the very best is....

My own opinion counts for something but to him, and, my standard answer is always, "you will never know until you get your arse on the seat and test ride it. Even if you go just around the block, that counts for more than 20 YouTube channels and 400 pages of forum reviews. Please, Please! Don't make any decisions until you've actually ridden them"!

This entire thread is only opinions. Passionate and glorious ones to be fair, but nonetheless, until you actually swing your leg over and begin that first dance, you will never know if it is for you.

A lot, as in pretty much exactly like, getting to grips with the opposite sex actually.
 
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I'm often asked, "what bike do you think I should ride. Or what bike is the best for me?" Today even, a corporate client of mine asked just such a thing... he's hardly ridden and was asking after a Vespa vs an Africa Twin!?

I mean fok! What does one say to this!?

I've learn't that the very best is....

My own opinion counts for something but to him, and, my standard answer is always, "you will never know until you get your arse on the seat and test ride it. Even if you go just around the block, that counts for more than 20 YouTube channels and 400 pages of forum reviews. Please, Please! Don't make any decisions until you've actually ridden them"!

This entire thread is only opinions. Passionate and glorious ones to be fair, but nonetheless, until you actually swing your leg over and begin that first dance, you will never know if it is for you.

A lot, as in pretty much exactly like, getting to grips with the opposite sex actually.
No, you must choose a side. You sound too much like a BikeSA road test.;)
 

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I'm often asked, "what bike do you think I should ride. Or what bike is the best for me?" Today even, a corporate client of mine asked just such a thing... he's hardly ridden and was asking after a Vespa vs an Africa Twin!?

I mean fok! What does one say to this!?

I've learn't that the very best is....

My own opinion counts for something but to him, and, my standard answer is always, "you will never know until you get your arse on the seat and test ride it. Even if you go just around the block, that counts for more than 20 YouTube channels and 400 pages of forum reviews. Please, Please! Don't make any decisions until you've actually ridden them"!

This entire thread is only opinions. Passionate and glorious ones to be fair, but nonetheless, until you actually swing your leg over and begin that first dance, you will never know if it is for you.

A lot, as in pretty much exactly like, getting to grips with the opposite sex actually.
Very true this. I had an itch to scratch with a big BMW LT. Read up on it, checked out YouTube the worx. Excitedly bought one remotely. Picked it up and after the first km I realized to me and what I wanted out of a bike it was an absolute pos. I may as well have been riding a 2 wheel Hiace, in fact something like that would be more exiting. 3 months later it was gone.
 

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En neem aan dus die spesiale matjie waarop jy saans opkrul in die fetal position en saggies huil oor die geld wat daai 2 outjies jou kos om aan die gang te hou.
Only kidding, bikes is baie mooi.

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Hmmm, the thread above made me think, maybe AI has the answer... So basically it says short riders would prefer the T7, while adventurous riders will prefer the 990 🤣
 
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